9/16/2019 Serial Podcast Episode 3 Summary
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Do you stand by your remarks? Or did anything since then change the way you think about the case? This is thread solely about episode 3, Linkin Park! Well, in hindsight this episode is a dud. The whole Mr. S story was filler and a waste of time and SK knew it. Okay, it is mildly entertaining, I guess.
What I find unbelievable is that she says: 'How did they arrive at that level of certainty?' - about one of the detectives saying he was sure Adnan did it.
The much better question is: How could she not have, after a whole year of investigating? Listening to the podcast now for me is listening to someone who has been completely had. It's like she can't see the forest for all the trees. And it makes me realize how the media can manipulate, because almost nobody really wants to dive in and unearth the facts. People just want to follow whatever narrative is being fed to them. If had told the story in a different way, maybe through Jay's perspective, if she hadn't learned about the story through Rabia and if she had approached it differently, we probably wouldn't have all of these Adnan-followers now. Like she says herself: It's all spin.
Oh, and the cellular material they found at the site. It would be nice if that could be tested. AND: 'THEY KEEP GOING BACK TO DON.'
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Maybe this podcast should have been about rental car guy's uncle. Rabia doesn't know where Leakin Park is? Come on. 127 feet is not that much, they're inventing suspicion here.
Why not say 1,524 inches to really play it up. 127 Dons in the diary. If you look hard enough at anything you'll find strange coincidences. 9 days after the body found, Feb 18 and they're grilling Mr S. Seems like the 'Adnan is only suspect' theory is pretty shaky. It does seem like these are different detectives compared to Jay.
With Mr S they are very focused on nailing down details. I'd like to know if the tape started immediately with Mr S or not. Mr S's bladder - he slammed a budweiser double deuce, mystery solved. Why did Mr S go 'so far'? - More of Serial inventing smaller bite-sized mysteries that aren't really that mysterious. What's the point of the stuff about the 'No Dumping' sign?.
'We actually wander around for a while, trying to find the right spot. Finally I remember we have a hand drawn map of the site, from that surveyor.' Reminds me of Dumb and Dumber.' Extra gloves!' . Somewhere there's a girl who thinks her Leakin Park hookup wore a condom.
'What denomination of whiskey?' Uhh, Presbyterian?. 'we have evidence that you were deceptive with us. We have DNA evidence that you were there.' Umm, I told you I was there, that's how I found the body.
Mr S the streaker - maybe he just plays a lot of Truth or Dare?. Naked Mr S jumps a chain link fence. I thought a blogger said the 2nd polygraph of Mr S only had 1 relevant question. If so that question was about a 'tire iron'? That seems unlikely. 'Why would he seek out a dead girl to have more police involvement?' We're talking about a guy who shook his junk in front of a uniformed police officer.
Why is there no discussion of Mr S trying to remember where he was on January 13? I assume he was asked, did he have an answer? It would tie in Episode 1 nicely. Looking back on these episodes you really notice how little is in each one. That's 2 episodes in a row that added very little while major questions for the audience hung out there. It's a smart way to do this. At this point we're dying to hear more evidence, Jay's story, more from Adnan, etc.
Instead we're getting sidetracked with something that while we're listening seems important, but in retrospect is just kind of filler. Tension builds. Yes, exactly. It puts the 'mystery' in such accessible terms.
You can feel the answer out there to these questions. We can do it! I think recently SK mentioned she's sorry she missed this whole Randallstown Wrestling Match thing. I don't think that's because she believes it's important to the case, but it would just be such a great additional fit to this list. I can just hear her narrating that mystery. But was there even a wrestling match that day for Woodlawn? I checked all over.
I even found the Woodlawn wrestling coach from 1999. 'You want to know if we had a wrestling match in Randallstown on January 13th of 1999?' 'Yeah, you don't happen to remember do you?' He looked at me like I was crazy. He couldn't explain this discrepancy either.
So this is just another one of the tiny little questions in this case, that all woven together to form one giant mystery. Next time on Serial.
From the podcast, Koenig says: 'At his job, he had gotten a work order to shave down a door, but the school didn’t have the tool he needed, a plane. He had one at home though, so during his lunch hour he said he drove his truck home, got the plane from his basement, and before he left, grabbed some sustenance out of the fridge.' All I get from that is that Mr. S probably said 'truck'. Regarding Mr. S's half brother living next to Adnan: 'She put her husband on the phone, Mr. S’s younger half-brother.
And he said, “you know what’s crazy? I used to live next door to the kid that did it!” That was back when Adnan was nine or ten. He said he used to throw the football around with him, that he always seemed like a nice kid.' From this I understand that the half brother lived near Adnan during the period when AS was 9 or 10 - but it's unclear to me if someone moved before or after. Episode 3 was actually one of my least favorites. While it was entertaining, I felt like it was a side note, a quick jaunt down a side path. But a few things that stuck out to me then and now:.
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Mr S is a maintenance man at a 'school,' but once-and only once-Sk mentions the school is a college. I wonder(ed) if the college was the one Jenn and Cathy attended.
I know SK tried to see if there were any connections to the major players in the crime, so it seems like if it were the same school that would've been mentioned. The unidentified man who says, 'While you’re digging in Leakin Park to bury your body, you’re gonna find somebody else’s. That’s Leakin Park' sounds like Jay's friend Chris.
I hadn't noticed that before. Chris is the one who said Leakin Park was probably Jay's idea, not Adnan's. Rabia and Saad, when talking about where Leakin Park is, are obviously talking about their perception at the time of the crime.
I wonder if anyone calls it Gwynn Falls. I still don't believe Mr S simply stumbled upon the body, not considering Buddemeyer had such an issue finding it when it was already an active crime scene. Nor do I believe the detectives thought Mr S committed the crime, just that he'd heard about the body and maybe wanted to see it for himself for some gruesome reason. Listening to this episode the first time around this is when I began to have serious concerns about Ritz & Macgillivary. They're questioning Mr S about what he drinks, presumably trying to get Mr S to admit he drinks brandy, specifically Coronet VSQ Brandy, to match with the bottle recovered from the scene. Hello, Ritz & MacG! Mr S was at the crime scene.
He found the body, remember. Is it implausible that he also saw the brandy bottle lying there on the ground. Episode 3 has, by far, my favorite soundtrack of all of the episodes. The music cues during the section where SK explains Mr. S's streaking habit are perfect.
It's amazing to me how little this episode contributes to the overall story, yet somehow it's one of the most entertaining for me. I think that the time crunch in the production schedule might have impacted the quality of the episodes later on. I can't help but wonder how much better episodes 9-11 could have been if they had more time (and energy) to put into them. (Not that I think they were bad, I just think Ep. 3 shows that they could have been better.).
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